Station entrance design
by Sydney Metro Team 8:02pm, 2 July 2009
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There are three types of station entrances being considered for the metro: open cut, pod or commercially integrated (see attached pdf for examples). What type of entrances would you like to see for this station? Are there any examples of entrances from other metro systems you think might be suitable here?
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Relates to website: http://www.sydneymetro.nsw.gov.au/what/the_stations/
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Station entrance types (2.7 MB)
fxdydx Comment 1
9:27am, 4 July 2009
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Looking at the entrance for the corner of Union & Prymont st, instead of knocking those buildings down to become a station entrance, can't you keep them and use your 'commercially integrated' model of station entrance design as well as attempt to keep as much of those business as possible.
Below is a link to an example of what I mean.
There are dozens of stations like this in London where the station is part of the street scape and blends in with the rest of the housing.
Also, sometimes, to get passengers down to the station concourse, instead of stairs or escallators, they instead use large high speed elevators which are very pram/disabled friendly. There are literally dozens of stations in Londond like this and they make it work for them, surely we can make it work here.
You must copy the link in it's entirety for it to work.
It is Holborn station in London if you want to look for it yourself.
http://www.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=British+Museum&sll=51.518744,-0.119723&sspn=0.006035,0.016469&ie=UTF8&radius=0.35&rq=1&ll=51.517322,-0.12026&spn=0,359.983531&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.51719,-0.120247&panoid=luHynuzc5Lu6QnG2NlL7wA&cbp=12,79.91,,0,2.24
admin Comment 1.1
Admin
2:35pm, 4 July 2009
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The link in the previous post by fxdydx appears to be broken, it is a useful illustration (thanks fxdydx). If you want to see the <a href="http://www.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=British+Museum&sll=51.518744,-0.119723&sspn=0.006035,0.016469&ie=UTF8&radius=0.35&rq=1&ll=51.517322,-0.12026&spn=0,359.983531&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.51719,-0.120247&panoid=luHynuzc5Lu6QnG2NlL7wA&cbp=12,79.91,,0,2.24">Holborn Station illustration please click on this link.</a>
Thanks
Peter T Syd Comment 1.2
10:27am, 20 August 2009
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Thanks for this link its important to show "informed residents who are opposing" the development what other great cities have been able to do to defy "heritage" issues.
I think London has been able to incorporate heritage with the need of the public to commute. Could you post more as the street view is great at seeing how the commuters and businesses are intergrated into the scene.
fxdydx Comment 1.2.1
11:35pm, 14 October 2009
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You would like some more street views from London and around the world?
I'm happy to oblige.
concerned Comment 1.3
1:38pm, 24 August 2009
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Thanks for supplying this example fxdydx
I agree, if London could integrate a rail station entrance with historic commercial buildings way back in the 1930s why are we having to try and save historic buildings from being demolished for a rail station entrance in Sydney, in the 21st century?
Complete demolition of the commercial terraces near Union Square is the laziest, least imaginative, cheapest, looking option for the Pyrmont Square station.
Personally, I'd like to see the station moved further from the square than is proposed, but if Sydney Metro insist on this site option, you can certainly do better than what is presently proposed for the station entrance/station site. I know my criticism is of concept drawings for the proposed station (sorry but that is all that the public has been provided with) but truthfully, they are not an improvement over what is there on the site at present.
I have used the Holborn station, as seen in the link, and believe me, it looks far less tacky than the station entrance proposed at Union Square in its present form. Holborn station entrance (& others in London) blend in to the surrounding area, they don't have a 'hey-look-at-me!' appearance that seeks to dominate the area. It is not enough to have a this-roughly matches-the-height-of-what-we-bulldozed 'design' for the station entrance.
If we absolutely have to have a station entrance near Union Square (there are better sites), more effort is required to maintain the historic elements of the commercial terraces & ensure that business owners livelihoods are not obliterated for a scheme that resembles a convenience store/$2 shop at this stage of the design process.
MYL Comment 2
8:13am, 25 August 2009
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I think there is a real opportunity at Pyrmont for the Union Square entrance to be the iconic "brand" of the whole system, the way that Hector Guimard's "Abbesses" entrance is in Paris. This entrance need not be the only/main entrance, and there can (perhaps should) be an integrated TOD entrance downhill in Jacksons Landing, but being able to pop up into a hertiage low rise sandstone square as the main arrival sequence for the casino would be a great symbol, particularly given the likely tourist focus of this station entrance. Putting an entrance of this kind in the square in the same manner as the Paris Metro would also avoid the demolition/refurb issues currently plaguing the options currently under consideration for that site. If this option is favoured, focus should be given to the design of the entrance as a piece of art (ie don't give it to your infrastructure or architect consultants), and the same design could potentially be used for other secondary entrances on George Street / Martin Place.
concerned Comment 2.1
10:49pm, 8 September 2009
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I agree MYL, if there could be a better overall design for the proposed station at Pyrmont that does not destroy the historic character of Union Square there might be less opposition to the project.
I was recently speaking to a work colleague - who is very much for a metro system but very much against demolishing buildings in Union Square for a station entrance - who outlined a similar idea to MYL's(eg well designed station entrances akin to those found in the Paris system, that emerge into the square).
At present, all we have to judge the new station entrances are illustrations of generic, amorphous boxes that give little (or no) indication that we'll be getting anything better than hose it down at the end of the day, bland, commercial structures to house convenience stores & franchise coffee joints.
concerned Comment 2.1.1
7:44pm, 10 September 2009
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[the revised station entrance plans] "could retain terraces"..how about MUST & WILL retain the terraces!
Really, there is no need for any outright demolition option for the station entrance at Pyrmont...time to eliminate any chance for a demolition loophole. Saving the victorian era commercial row is a move towards a better outcome for this station site if the Government insists upon developing the CBD metro. Perhaps it might also be worth investigating the retention of a number of the heritage properties at Rozelle.
scotth1 Comment 3
1:47pm, 11 October 2009
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Looking at the Introduction and Vision Station Plan document (http://sydneymetro.nsw.gov.au/how/transport_and_land_use_planning/) it seems the 10minute catchment rule is a little optimistic. For example Pyrmont shows the catchment extending down to near the Powerhouse Museum, I can't believe the residential catchment extends that far. One of the biggest factors we see of metros in most cities is the proximity of stations. I feel most have stations are in the range 400m to 1500m apart, it seems we are planning stations like they are heavy commuter rail stations, particularly on the West Metro plan so far, of between 1.5km - 3km apart.
